tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8944784223020468437.post7759971642275623660..comments2012-10-14T02:42:47.093-05:00Comments on The Venus Project Challenge: The Zeitgeist Movement: Cancel Your Membership. Renew Your Leadership.Anonymoushttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09758126057010310729noreply@blogger.comBlogger13125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8944784223020468437.post-50286578650539003252011-09-26T18:44:44.769-05:002011-09-26T18:44:44.769-05:00I love this! Its nice to see other bloggers becomi...I love this! Its nice to see other bloggers becoming the movement<br /><br />http://zeitard.blogspot.com/Kellahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16761981693279052932noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8944784223020468437.post-60674205734535831982011-01-06T16:19:48.538-06:002011-01-06T16:19:48.538-06:00Keep up the good work, Brandy :)Keep up the good work, Brandy :)tammara38https://www.blogger.com/profile/11294990180212249811noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8944784223020468437.post-53495515581367668472011-01-06T15:44:26.424-06:002011-01-06T15:44:26.424-06:00Yeaaaa man! Zeitgeist movement =)Yeaaaa man! Zeitgeist movement =)Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12154385207051090294noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8944784223020468437.post-8772128081535954112010-10-28T02:58:52.939-05:002010-10-28T02:58:52.939-05:00Hi Brandy, here's my attempt at explaining mat...Hi Brandy, here's my attempt at explaining matters to one of the more vocal critics of TZM and TVP, a guy named Muertos who runs a blog and forum (Conspiracy Science) filled with critique.<br />http://planbfromthebacardiroom.blogspot.com/2010/10/tzm-recipe-for-disaster.htmlEd V.https://www.blogger.com/profile/07812856583998219366noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8944784223020468437.post-10424483192641440472010-09-25T14:16:09.502-05:002010-09-25T14:16:09.502-05:00@Ed V.
"Explaining it to them with patience ...@Ed V.<br /><br />"Explaining it to them with patience and a lot of knowledge is one thing, but the other person must have the willingness to listen and comprehend the information as well."<br /><br />I totally agree. That's where B comes in; let it go if they don't have the patience to listen, or to check out your sources. But in order to know that they are not listening, you have to have at least TRIED to explain it. The frustrating part is, it is even harder to explain something in detail, in writing, (chats, blogs, YouTube comments, Facebook, etc.) than it is to do it in person, or on TeamSpeak, etc. BUT - in my opinion, it is even more important to be thorough in writing, because that is what OTHERS will come across and read later on! We are leaving a "trail" or our "footprint" so-to-speak. Somebody else may come along later and read your answer, and agree with it, and then send you a message asking more questions. (This has happened to me many times.) The problem is many people don't even TRY to explain it at all, leaving a string of comments that say "you're an idiot. do more research. get a life. etc" which makes us look bad, and just creates more work for those of us that 'are' going around answering questions thoroughly. Some people have had genuine questions and have just been shooed away with anger, or with a "holier than thou" attitude. If we do that, we will never gain supporters, much less 'informed' supporters, at a fast enough rate.<br /><br />No one said this would be easy, but if we think the hardest thing in the world is just "explaining this to people," then we've got another thing comin'! LOL ;)Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09758126057010310729noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8944784223020468437.post-11693920956756656602010-09-25T13:43:43.808-05:002010-09-25T13:43:43.808-05:00Hi Brandy. In my experience the crux of the proble...Hi Brandy. In my experience the crux of the problem lies in that some people are so conditioned in our current capitalistic ways that they immediately go on tilt like a pinball machine when they hear something like the Venus Project. Explaining it to them with patience and a lot of knowledge is one thing, but the other person must have the willingness to listen and comprehend the information as well. Sadly, in some cases there's none of that.Ed V.https://www.blogger.com/profile/07812856583998219366noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8944784223020468437.post-1673639828425832792010-09-24T12:29:09.732-05:002010-09-24T12:29:09.732-05:00Fantastic post... Having been a member and in a co...Fantastic post... Having been a member and in a constant position of duty to express the tenants of the movement at every opportunity a lot of what I see in the movement itself is simply people getting together to discuss cool buildings and a future and "what Peter said" as opposed to taking the information and making it their own... I see a fundamental issue in being that the tasks of being an adult and being able to make intelligent decisions on our own is something that is at a real scarcity. We are simply told and buy into shit as a result of that someone in authority said it was a good idea... Not realizing that we become our own authority... Take a look at adults anymore spouting off some shit about "well we have to follow the rules" without ever realizing that we are the makers of these things and we can change them or even choose to not follow them whenever we want... I see the problem as people going "religion is bullshit! I am not going to blindly follow something anymore! I am going to join the zeitgeist movement and do whatever Peter Joseph says instead!".Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03088519724738894403noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8944784223020468437.post-82765977116725271202010-09-24T05:02:24.669-05:002010-09-24T05:02:24.669-05:00Good Blog. Keep it up!Good Blog. Keep it up!TROhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01250449044345824780noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8944784223020468437.post-89850456191705448482010-09-22T11:32:57.507-05:002010-09-22T11:32:57.507-05:00@Agape
The Venus Project website FAQ #15 is a qui...@Agape<br /><br />The Venus Project website FAQ #15 is a quite possible, but hypothetical transition plan. One of the reasons it is hypothetical is that you'll notice it begins with "After agreement is attained by nations to move toward unification and sharing of the earth's resources..." It is impossible to predict if and when the nations will agree to do this, so the plan itself, as well as the timeframe, must remain hypothetical. You'll notice that it is then followed by "a global survey of available resources, technical personnel, production plants, arable land etc. has to be done to provide us with sufficient information in order to ascertain the parameters of social design." In other words, in order to implement a 'global' Resource-Based Economy, we would need a 'global' inventory of resources, including 'participation' as a resource.<br /><br />Another possibility is that much of the population would provide for themselves, and others, during the transition, if enough people were to contribute open-source information, in the efforts of preserving self-sufficiency, and sustainability. (For an example of this theory, go to http://www.adciv.org/post-scarcity and read the section titled 'How Do We Get From Here to There?')<br /><br />The bottom line is, we cannot say for certain how the transition WILL happen, or WHEN it will happen, because there are too many unknown variables at this time. If this sounds like an undreasonable answer, consider this unreasonable request: I ask you to show me your Football strategy, right now... only you don't know how many players you will have; you can estimate, but you don't even know what positions they play. In fact, you don't even know if they want to play. You also don't know who you're playing against, or how many players they will have. You don't know where you will be able to hold practice. You've asked several schools to volunteer their football fields, but they haven't gotten back to you yet... Then I say, "Too bad. Show me every possible strategy for every possible combination of variables..." Good luck. The point is, you may know EXACTLY how to play football, and you know that it is perfectly POSSIBLE to play football. You know that footballs exist, players exist, and fields exist. You know that with those resources, and the right cooperation, you can play football. Now you just have to ask people to play. With that in mind, we know we have the resources for an RBE - all we need is the cooperation in order to develop a more detailed strategy.<br /><br />#11 on my 'Frequently Asked Questions' blog also offers some insight as to why we can't speak for others and say 'when' the transition will take place.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09758126057010310729noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8944784223020468437.post-19102082553011926402010-09-22T09:18:44.846-05:002010-09-22T09:18:44.846-05:00This comment has been removed by the author.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08665181143198586294noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8944784223020468437.post-86596047919946775882010-09-22T02:49:14.472-05:002010-09-22T02:49:14.472-05:00What is the plan of TVP for transition between mon...What is the plan of TVP for transition between monetary system and RBE? When will the transition begin in the knowledgeable and informed opinion of TVP supporters and TVP itself which is Jacque and Roxanne?<br /><br />AgapeUnknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02085386666876975839noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8944784223020468437.post-49664033686103603052010-09-22T02:39:37.976-05:002010-09-22T02:39:37.976-05:00Great blog Brandy, another valuable contribution f...Great blog Brandy, another valuable contribution from you. <br /><br />I absolutely agree that it's just not enough to tell people to 'do more research'. I also see part of the responsibility of members is to know the limits of their own understandings, and that means that if they can't back up what they are saying then maybe they shouldn't be engaging in too many discussions about the movement at all - sometimes not adding to the noise aids our communication efforts best! <br />The material provided by TZM and TVP should really only be the starting point for our own research, I see it as a life long process of learning, whether that's learning about an RBE, human behaviour and society or just learning how to communicate!<br /><br />Great ending: "This way, the next time someone asks if you're a "member" of The Zeitgeist Movement, you can confidently say "No... I am The Zeitgeist Movement."<br />:)<br /><br />AtheneAnonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02004511858697924694noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8944784223020468437.post-45912905393113334772010-09-22T00:49:36.280-05:002010-09-22T00:49:36.280-05:00Yes--we do need to be knowledgeable--I have watche...Yes--we do need to be knowledgeable--I have watched all vids/lectures with PJ and most of Jacque's as well--every member should do that. But I look at this like I used to look at the "gospel" back in my Christian days--and that is this: we just need to get the message out before it is too late. venusfreedom ;)Laurenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02238438622828803921noreply@blogger.com