Remember that Sesame Street song, “One of These Things (Is Not Like The Others)?” Well, as many of you may know, the argument or notion that The Venus Project or a Resource-Based Economy (RBE) is the same, or similar, to Communism tends to keep popping up. Although we’ve continuously addressed this misunderstanding with explanations as to how and why it’s monumentally different, the confusion continues. It came to my attention to write a blog on this subject when a fellow YouTuber simply asked if I think Jacque Fresco has influences from Peter Kropotkin, a late 19th Centry anarcho-communist, which I will get into later. First I want to start by highlighting some points from one of my prior drawn-out discussions with another user on this subject, which I think in fact summarizes what the “Communism” argument boils down to.
The first problem is that there are various definitions and understandings, mainly two, of the word communism. The first is fairly simple: 1 a : a theory advocating elimination of private property b : a system in which goods are owned in common and are available to all as needed. I think it is fair to say that an RBE does aim to accomplish that in some form, but it is not the premise of The Venus Project. In other words, it is not our goal to simply eliminate private property, and make goods equally available to all so that we, or our future generations, can simply enjoy some form of equal access. It is instead our goal to accomplish many other things, such as surpassing cultural and religious conflicts, eliminating wars over scarcity of resources, ending the exploitation of, and damage to, the earth and its resources catalyzed by the pursuit of profit, establishing clean and sustainable energy systems, improving education, reducing aberrant behavior and crime, etc. It just so happens that “eliminating private property,” and “making goods equally available to all,” are required in order to accomplish those things. To clarify, here are some of the core characteristics of a Resource-Based Economy, as outlined in The Zeitgeist Movement knowledge base:
1) No money or market system.
2) Automation to replace labor in every occupation possible.
3) Technological Unification of the planet in a systems approach.
4) No property - Universal Access.
5) Self-contained/Sustainable/Streamlined City Systems.
6) Science as the methodology for all social decisions, including the approach to problems regarding aberrant human behavior (or what we refer to today as "crime").
Number four alone, which could be described as “communism,” is a necessary ingredient, but not the ultimate goal or the entire premise. Some might argue that it makes no difference whether it’s one factor or the whole concept, because number four is necessary and therefore implied in every other ingredient. However, this difference between a ‘factor’ and a ‘foundational concept’ later proves to be a very important distinction between The Venus Project and other social systems, so keep it in mind.
The second definition is slightly more complex, and often capitalized as Communism: 2 (capitalized) a : a doctrine based on revolutionary Marxian socialism and Marxism-Leninism that was the official ideology of the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics b : a totalitarian system of government in which a single authoritarian party controls state-owned means of production c : a final stage of society in Marxist theory in which the state has withered away and economic goods are distributed equitably.
During the discussion, I’d explained that an RBE proposes no form of government, much less a totalitarian government that controls all property and means of production, so it is obviously not the same as Communism. The opposing argument was that the second definition (mainly a and b) is more accurately Socialism, not in fact Communism as it were originally intended, and as such, there has never really been true Communism. I argued that if Communism has only ever been attempted by means of Socialism, then it is still not the same as an RBE, since that is not our intention or goal. Still, the opposition maintained that since an RBE does ultimately regard resources as the “common heritage of all,” it is still the same as Communism, regardless of whether the premise or methodology is different, as long as the end result is the same – equal access to all goods.
The final opposing argument, in this particular case, was that Venus Project supporters should just admit that it is Communism, and that we prefer not to call it that, due to the negative associations with its history, and its resulting tendency to fall on deafening ears. This argument further concluded that anyone who’s read The Communist Manifesto should not have a problem with this, and would understand the difference between true Communism, and the distorted definition throughout history by means of Socialism.
This is where the difference between an RBE and Communism becomes even more evident. While I admit that I haven’t read The Communist Manifesto, I’ve read much about it and what it covers, and I’ve read other materials regarding the origins and history of Communism. The Manifesto confirms that Communism was based on class struggles, the idea that societies could only evolve through conflict. This concept is in large part described as Dialectical Materialism, which is in fact the opposite of what The Venus Project advocates - that societies and humanity as a whole will evolve through cooperation - eliminating conflict and most of its causes.
The rebuttal was that, although Communism was indeed based on class struggles, in the end, classes disappear, which is also the result of a resource-based economy. Of course, my response was that “classes disappearing through conflict or struggle” is not remotely the same as “voluntarily transcending artificial boundaries and working together,” thereby peacefully and effectively dissolving any class distinctions. So far, no one has refuted my response, or answered my question as to how one can legitimately consider The Venus Project an extension of “Communism,” and its idea of class struggles.
Regarding the question of whether Fresco’s work has Kropotkinian influences, I couldn’t say without asking Fresco himself. In any case, I am researching the issue on my own, and so far I have found some of Kropotkin’s studies to involve similar philosophies, such as the idea of cooperation as a survival mechanism, rather than competition. From what I can tell, much of this was based on the study of species in general, and not so much the social engineering aspect regarding humans, and the need to elevate all to their highest intellectual, emotional, psychological, and physical potential. He also proposed an economic system of mutual exchanges, which aimed to eventually abolish money or tokens in exchange for goods and services. However, the system focused on local production and the self-sufficiency of each country, without any apparent means to inventory, or equally allocate, all resources efficiently, and obviously no means to automate nearly all labor. There is a large enough gap in the time period to suggest that this was due to the lack of necessary technology, but even so, I have not yet located an understanding similar to that of The Venus Project, which states that: “All social systems, regardless of political philosophy, religious beliefs, or social customs, ultimately depend on natural resources like clean air and water, arable land, and the technology and personnel to maintain a high standard of living. This can be accomplished through the humane application of science and technology using a global systems approach.”
In conclusion, it seems that most comparisons between The Venus Project (or an RBE) and other social systems rely heavily on the simplistic and unjustifiable notion that “it doesn’t matter if there are differences in the premises, differences in methods of implementation, or if some of the goals may vary; as long as the intended result is the same, it is the same social system. In other words, “an RBE is the same as Communism because it aims to eliminate private property.” “An RBE is the same as Anarchism because it aims to eliminate government.” “An RBE is the same as Technocracy because it uses science and technology to make decisions.” “Never mind the differences; the end result is the same.” This is like saying that “borrowing a book from the library or doing research online, learning about how to grow and manage your own garden or vineyard, investing in the tools, time, and energy to set it up, and eventually enjoying homegrown fruit, vegetables, or wine” is the same as “stealing fruit, vegetables, or wine, by any means necessary” because the end goal is the same - to enjoy fruit, vegetables, and wine, free of charge. I think we can all agree that that is a ludicrous comparison and conclusion. In the latter example, the person hasn’t learned anything of value, the person has also deprived someone else of their fruit, vegetables, or wine, and the person cannot sustain the goods and would therefore have to continue stealing them. The Venus Project has invested a great amount of time, energy, and effort into making sure that the methodology is not only viable, but in everyone’s best interest, and that the combined outcomes are in fact a global-resource-based economy, in which all resources are regarded as the common heritage of all the earth’s people, in which there is no need for a government, and in which science and technology are used to arrive at decisions. The fact that we have not yet accomplished all of those combined things as a globe, proves that no other past, present, or future social system can be compared to The Venus Project and what it aims to achieve.
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Thank you, as usual this will be very useful information.
ReplyDeleteThanks Brandy you are an Inspiration , I like the new look. TVP!
ReplyDeleteExcellent. Great Job. The Question remains will People read it with an open mind to be able to understand its full implications?
ReplyDeleteHi Brandy, nice package here, slick colorings, great list of extra vids on the side: Kudos! Adding to Armand's comment, Yes, when they are ready.
ReplyDeleteInspirational peace,
Chris P.
Great Job as always Brandy
ReplyDeleteThank you ^^
Grand work... great heart... beautiful soul... love you, or as Jacque would say EXY you...extensionality ... PEACE LOVE... xo
ReplyDeletePhenomenal explanation. You can further expand this information by making another great video of yours, I'm sure it'll reach thousands of people who misunderstand those points.
ReplyDeleteHi Brandy! I am very impressed with all your work. Very good your VP Challenge.
ReplyDeleteI find your analisis interesting.
I would like to add some things I have thought about this coincidences between TVP and other ideologies.
The reason why people compare it with communism and anarchism is because it does have things in common with them . But I don´t see this coincidences as a bad aspect of the VP. I believe TVP evolved from this older ideas. Jacque Fresco learned as all of us that have lived a lot of twentieth century events, about all those theories and lived to see how they worked out. It is after knowing Marx, and Engels, and Anarchists and all the other philosophies that existed before plus the developing of the technological era, that Fresco developed his Venus Project.
Frescos´ Venus project is built upon those theories, correcting the errors, solving the problems and giving a big step forward. As those philosophers said making a qualitative change (as opposed to the quantitative change).
I am not at all good with words and worst if it is not in Spanish, but I hope you can understand what I am trying to say. Keep your work up. I love how young people are so much wiser than us older people. It means the civilization is evolving.
Hello from Kyoto, Japan.
ReplyDeleteConcise run-down of TZM and TVP.
I couldn't agree more.
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Thanks everyone for your comments & feedback - greatly appreciated!
ReplyDeleteBrandy, congrats on your very thorough analysis, this will certainly clarify things to a lot of people. I have some things to say though, if you'll allow me.
ReplyDeleteI have recently read the Communist Manifesto, because I was also concerned people may feel TVP and Communism is the same thing. I can tell you, there are similarities, but there are a lot of discrepancies too.
Take this sentence for example:
"The proletariat will use its political supremacy to wrest, by degree, all capital from the bourgeoisie, to centralise all instruments of production in the hands of the State, i.e., of the proletariat organised as the ruling class; and to increase the total productive forces as rapidly as possible. "
Now replace "proletariat" for all of us zeitgeisters. We are a movement, and we want, in a way or another to change the way things are, and for that, the control that is today in the hands of the estabilsment will have to change hands, for at some point in the future be in "no hands whatsoever".
Then replace "the hands of State" for the central computerized control suggested by the TVP to manage all the Earth's resources so that they can be harvested and distributed in the most efficient way possible.
Of course this does not make it identical to TVP, but you can make a pretty good juxtaposition there, wouldn't you agree?
We cannot simply imply that TVP and other proposed social systems are not related. Many people will disagree and this will cause tension. Of course they are related. All knowledge is cumulative. Maybe if Communism wasn't tried went it did (or didn't) someone else would have tried it at some other time in the future. TVP is only as good as it is based on failure by other systems that came before. Communism has good ideals but bad ways to implement it. There are some pretty weird stuff on the Manifesto - but this is how we interpret today, in the light of all that happened to it, so it's easy.
For all of those who will try to compare TVP with whatever, we should not just say its unrelated. I prefer to say that we are an improvement of all that came before, with a broader vision and a more planetary approach.
Well, just another way of looking at things. =)
Very nice. ;)
ReplyDeleteWhen people try to make blanket assumptions about TVP by assigning the Communist tag to it, I have a simple and quite effective rebuttal. Yes, there are a few loose connections between Communism, Socialism and TVP, but there are also significant democratic connections, but they never call us a Democracy, do they? lol. Still, here's my rebuttal:
"You're making a blanket assumption based on loose connections in order to fit what you want to call us, versus the facts of what we really stand for. That would be like drawing the following conclusion:
Football is violent. Murder is violent. Therefore, football is murder.
I have to assume you have more common sense than that, so to suggest that football is murder is just as ludicrous as suggesting TVP is Communism."
Now that you have posted this excellent blog, I can add it to the end of that rebuttal and drive people here to read the very important information you've laid out. Thanks Brandy!
Hi Brandy,
ReplyDeleteYou are thinking, and that is good. Are you prepared to go where thinking leads? I am not as old as Jacque at only 62 years but I have worked out most of the same stuff over the last 50 years. So I am in a good position to evaluate various systems. I judge TZM and TVP to be worthwhile but lacking a good transition plan. My own transition plan may well suffice to fill the gap. Are you interested? Roxanne wants to know more but she already knows the basics of it. If she reads the stuff here maybe she'll join in the discussion.
Cheers,
Bob
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(Robert Howes)
Also...
ReplyDeleteThere are many who call themselves communist, socialist, anarchist, freemen, democrat, libertarian and so on who have no argument with RBE.
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The big difference is how these different groups and individuals think this might come about. Since we cannot start a RBE from the top we have to start it from the bottom. No matter how many sign up to TZM or TVP, we will still have to start at the bottom.
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Where is the bottom? It is where we are. So we simply need a transition plan that takes that into account. What can a handful of Z people do? Plenty, with or without help from TZM/TVP, but much more easily with the help the movement can provide, at least in gathering the people in one spot.
More later,
Bob
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I thought this was also a great response to this issue. Unfortunately, the site (ResourcebasedLiving.com) is no longer up. Luckily I grabbed this prior to it going down.
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Significant Differences Between the RBE (Resource Based Economy) and Communism/Socialism
Many people think RBE is similar to Marxism,communism and socialism.So I have tried through this article to point out the significant differences. Since most people use the terms -communism and socialism interchangeably I have used them interchangeably as well.
Marx & Engels gave their theses of how communism can be reached through socialism in his famous Communist manifesto. Lets start from there.
As far as the 10 points enumerated by Marx and Engels in their “Communist Manifesto” is concerned, there are some points which are seriously NOT in line with the RBE. Let’s discuss those points one by one:
1) A heavy progressive or graduated income tax.
Tax is irrelevant in the RBE as there will be no monetary exchange. (Actually no exchange)
2) Confiscation of the property of all emigrants and rebels.
There is little probability of the existence of rebels in the RBE as such societies will have no power structure existing in the system. It is based on individual choice, and similarly, confiscation is pointless in a system when all things are available to all people through the proper and robust use of technology. Control of any kind over humans is not present in the philosophies of the RBE.
3) Abolition of all right of inheritance.
Although this point is in line with the RBE, abolition will be pointless. We will outgrow the concept of inheritance, property and ownership, not through force, but by simple attrition. The more that becomes available for instant access, the less you need to own to suffice that need. In other words, this will not happen by the application of any law as done in Communism, but it will be phased out, and people won’t feel the need to have any property as everything will be so much in abundance.
4) Centralization of credit in the hands of the State, by means of a national bank with State capital and an exclusive monopoly.
Again there is conflict involved in the RBE regarding credit, the state, banks, capital and monopolies, because these have no reason to exist in the RBE system.
5) Centralization of the means of communication and transport in the hands of the State.
All kinds of transport and communication will be present and freely available in the RBE. Although there will be a holistic transportation system involved, and most people will be using those transportation systems much like the citizens of New York City predominantly use mass transit, there will still be a means available to have private vehicles if needed. Open source information sharing is a key component of the RBE and therefore, centralizing communication is completely counter to the tenets of the RBE.
Part 2
ReplyDelete6) Extension of factories and instruments of production owned by the State; the bringing into cultivation of waste-lands, and the improvement of the soil generally in accordance with a common plan.
There is no State in the RBE system. The instruments of production are not owned by anyone, not even the Cybernated System used for efficiency. Ownership has no functional purpose. It’s static. The instruments of production will be managed by the Cybernated System and the people using it, such that all inputs are considered and that the best possible solution sets are arrived at by proper analysis and not political opinion.
There will be no COMMON plan. There can never be any common plan when we speak about resource optimization. Plans will be developed according to the environmental conditions prevailing in that particular condition, and will be based on the carrying capacity of that place. Therefore, every plan might be different, best suited to the time, place and resource availability of that given region (this includes import capabilities). And plans will evolve and grow as knowledge and new capabilities arise.
7) Equal liability of all to labor. Establishment of industrial armies, especially for agriculture.
Again, labor is irrelevant when the point of the RBE is to automate and reduce human labor as much as possible. And talking about any kind of armies is a serious NO NO.
8) Combination of agriculture with manufacturing industries.
There is no need to combine agriculture with manufacturing industries. This concept assumes centralized production and large scale distribution. Food will be grown locally where ever possible, mostly hydroponically in robust vertical farm buildings, so as to save land for free range livestock farming. Distribution is also local to the region, but does account for overlap as a measure for statistical tolerance limits.
9) Free education for all children in public schools. Abolition of children’s factory labor in its present form. Combination of education with industrial production.
Education will not be in the same form as it is today. There will be no public school. Education will be more robust and interactive throughout regions and not restricted to the Bismarkian system that is greatly utilized today. It is dynamic, mobile, and blends new learning information into the system so that it doesn’t remain static and unchanging. Desk learning, book learning, internet learning, interactive learning, experiential learning and more will be used in combination in a holistic approach.
Since there is no fixed notion for education, combining education with industrial production or any other production is irrelevant. However, emphasis will be given on research work and the general sciences to solidify the generalist approach to problem solving that will be central to an RBE education.
10) Abolition of property in land and application of all rents of land to public purposes.
Although abolition of property is okay and in line with the RBE, because abundance renders property ownership pointless, the application of renting land is again irrelevant in an RBE system that functions without a medium of exchange.
Communism focuses more on class struggle, class conflict, and the overthrow of one power to establish another, no matter how much ruthlessness is involved. Contrary to that, the RBE takes a more evolutionary approach rather than revolution, starting with educating the public (since without education we can never have a desirable society). A true democracy can only thrive well with an educated and informed public.
The RBE believes in a reverse hierarchical approach rather than the traditional hierarchical approach, which only brings about the tyranny of ONE or GROUP. Communism believes in greater good for a greater number of people, BUT the RBE believes in greater good for ALL PEOPLE (not just a greater number of people). There is no basis for minority or majority in the RBE system.
Part 3
ReplyDeleteAdditional differences between the RBE and Communism are as follows:
1) Resource Optimization:
The foundational aspect of the RBE concept is resource optimization. Surveying the Earth’s resources, self-contained/sustainable/streamlined city systems, strategically (through scientific analysis and survey) designing the products and services while keeping in account the depleting resources, closed loop production and distribution (recycling) and managing everything according to the carrying capacity of the Earth. These are foundational aspects of the RBE. THE ENVIRONMENTAL aspect is central to the RBE, which is never discussed scientifically by the Communist leaders.
2) Rejection of the Political System
Marxism thrives on political revolution, democracy, the seize of power, dictatorship of the so called proletariat, all sorts of socialism be it syndicalism, revolutionary socialism, democratic socialism, Maoism etc. It is based on the seize of political power, destroying one form of political structure and establishing another form of political structure leading to more centralized control, finally leading to more ruthlessness because it never addresses the fundamental roots causes of such abuses. It must always happen through a political party (as defined by Lenin and Stalin).
However, the RBE straightaway moves away from politics itself. It understands that power is a corrupting influence and politics itself cannot solve the problems. Rather it is human ingenuity and technology which solves problems. DECISIONS ARE ARRIVED AT in the RBE through proper scientific analysis and informed technical debate, and not taken by any biased, ruthless, unintelligent, emotional leaders or a group.
3) Communism’s central idea is to have a justifiable LABOR SYSTEM starting with equal pay for equal work, and in later stages, “From each according to his ability, to each according to his need (or needs),” but it somehow is unable to escape from the human labor element. In fact, it’s based on it.
The RBE is bolder in its concept and is focused on eliminating the human labor system itself as much as possible. It’s a more Humane concept. So one could say that the RBE’s mission statement could be, “From each according to his needs, to each according to his wishes (and not just abilities).” No communist in history has ever tried to think how human labor can become irrelevant with rising technology.
Also, according to Communism, more labor should be paid more. So it means that if you have a hammer and a driller with you, you will try to use the hammer instead of the driller (which reduces labor), because using the hammer will fetch you more money. So in this way, Communism’s tendency is to favor a human labor system, whereas the RBE is against such human waste and toil. It attempts to free humanity from such drudgery.
4) Communism talks little about creativity.
RBE focuses on eliminating boring, repetitive jobs, thus enabling mankind to its higher capabilities, which is creativity, innovation, development, cooperation and advancement.
Part 4 (last one)
ReplyDelete5) Communism never talks about the new incentive system which is talked about by the RBE concept, i.e. Volunteerism, which will be the new and most allured incentive in future.
6) Communism is an ideology, but the RBE is just an idea and not an ideology.Ideologies are static and hence have no fluidity. They cannot cope with ever present bio-social-technical changes. The RBE focuses on change. CHANGE IS NATURE.
7) Communism never speaks about the rising technological unemployment which is inevitable.
A book called End of work clearly shows the path of technological unemployment
http://www.foet.org/press/interviews/Spiegel-%20August%203%202005.pdf
The RBE does address that. If Communism came to solve that problem, it will try to remove technology in favor of its human labor focus, which will ridiculously take us 200 years backwards.
8) Finally I would say that Communism still does not understand the fallacies of the “growth based system”, which is dangerous in the long run for the resources are simply not infinite.
The system’s approach to Earth’s management of resources is central to the RBE, which has nothing to do with Communism.
Communism was an ideal state where everyone will go according to one’s needs and will work according to one’s capability . Well that condition never reached . However RBE will never try to reach a final frontier or an ideal final state. People in future will always try to update that or even change that.
By the way in RBE one will work not only according to his ability but also according to his will. Most of the boring, repetitive jobs willl be phased out and only creative and artistic and intelligent work like research,programming etc will exist.People will work on the basis of volunteer ism like thousands of people worldwide do today.
Part 2 (sorry, not sure what happened there:/ )
ReplyDelete6) Extension of factories and instruments of production owned by the State; the bringing into cultivation of waste-lands, and the improvement of the soil generally in accordance with a common plan.
There is no State in the RBE system. The instruments of production are not owned by anyone, not even the Cybernated System used for efficiency. Ownership has no functional purpose. It’s static. The instruments of production will be managed by the Cybernated System and the people using it, such that all inputs are considered and that the best possible solution sets are arrived at by proper analysis and not political opinion.
There will be no COMMON plan. There can never be any common plan when we speak about resource optimization. Plans will be developed according to the environmental conditions prevailing in that particular condition, and will be based on the carrying capacity of that place. Therefore, every plan might be different, best suited to the time, place and resource availability of that given region (this includes import capabilities). And plans will evolve and grow as knowledge and new capabilities arise.
7) Equal liability of all to labor. Establishment of industrial armies, especially for agriculture.
Again, labor is irrelevant when the point of the RBE is to automate and reduce human labor as much as possible. And talking about any kind of armies is a serious NO NO.
8) Combination of agriculture with manufacturing industries.
There is no need to combine agriculture with manufacturing industries. This concept assumes centralized production and large scale distribution. Food will be grown locally where ever possible, mostly hydroponically in robust vertical farm buildings, so as to save land for free range livestock farming. Distribution is also local to the region, but does account for overlap as a measure for statistical tolerance limits.
9) Free education for all children in public schools. Abolition of children’s factory labor in its present form. Combination of education with industrial production.
Education will not be in the same form as it is today. There will be no public school. Education will be more robust and interactive throughout regions and not restricted to the Bismarkian system that is greatly utilized today. It is dynamic, mobile, and blends new learning information into the system so that it doesn’t remain static and unchanging. Desk learning, book learning, internet learning, interactive learning, experiential learning and more will be used in combination in a holistic approach.
Since there is no fixed notion for education, combining education with industrial production or any other production is irrelevant. However, emphasis will be given on research work and the general sciences to solidify the generalist approach to problem solving that will be central to an RBE education.
10) Abolition of property in land and application of all rents of land to public purposes.
Although abolition of property is okay and in line with the RBE, because abundance renders property ownership pointless, the application of renting land is again irrelevant in an RBE system that functions without a medium of exchange.
Communism focuses more on class struggle, class conflict, and the overthrow of one power to establish another, no matter how much ruthlessness is involved. Contrary to that, the RBE takes a more evolutionary approach rather than revolution, starting with educating the public (since without education we can never have a desirable society). A true democracy can only thrive well with an educated and informed public.
The RBE believes in a reverse hierarchical approach rather than the traditional hierarchical approach, which only brings about the tyranny of ONE or GROUP. Communism believes in greater good for a greater number of people, BUT the RBE believes in greater good for ALL PEOPLE (not just a greater number of people). There is no basis for minority or majority in the RBE system.
Part 4
ReplyDelete5) Communism never talks about the new incentive system which is talked about by the RBE concept, i.e. Volunteerism, which will be the new and most allured incentive in future.
6) Communism is an ideology, but the RBE is just an idea and not an ideology.Ideologies are static and hence have no fluidity. They cannot cope with ever present bio-social-technical changes. The RBE focuses on change. CHANGE IS NATURE.
7) Communism never speaks about the rising technological unemployment which is inevitable.
A book called End of work clearly shows the path of technological unemployment
http://www.foet.org/press/interviews/Spiegel-%20August%203%202005.pdf
The RBE does address that. If Communism came to solve that problem, it will try to remove technology in favor of its human labor focus, which will ridiculously take us 200 years backwards.
8) Finally I would say that Communism still does not understand the fallacies of the “growth based system”, which is dangerous in the long run for the resources are simply not infinite.
The system’s approach to Earth’s management of resources is central to the RBE, which has nothing to do with Communism.
Communism was an ideal state where everyone will go according to one’s needs and will work according to one’s capability . Well that condition never reached . However RBE will never try to reach a final frontier or an ideal final state. People in future will always try to update that or even change that.
By the way in RBE one will work not only according to his ability but also according to his will. Most of the boring, repetitive jobs willl be phased out and only creative and artistic and intelligent work like research,programming etc will exist.People will work on the basis of volunteer ism like thousands of people worldwide do today.
Part 2 (sorry about the mixup. not sure what happened)
ReplyDelete6) Extension of factories and instruments of production owned by the State; the bringing into cultivation of waste-lands, and the improvement of the soil generally in accordance with a common plan.
There is no State in the RBE system. The instruments of production are not owned by anyone, not even the Cybernated System used for efficiency. Ownership has no functional purpose. It’s static. The instruments of production will be managed by the Cybernated System and the people using it, such that all inputs are considered and that the best possible solution sets are arrived at by proper analysis and not political opinion.
There will be no COMMON plan. There can never be any common plan when we speak about resource optimization. Plans will be developed according to the environmental conditions prevailing in that particular condition, and will be based on the carrying capacity of that place. Therefore, every plan might be different, best suited to the time, place and resource availability of that given region (this includes import capabilities). And plans will evolve and grow as knowledge and new capabilities arise.
7) Equal liability of all to labor. Establishment of industrial armies, especially for agriculture.
Again, labor is irrelevant when the point of the RBE is to automate and reduce human labor as much as possible. And talking about any kind of armies is a serious NO NO.
8) Combination of agriculture with manufacturing industries.
There is no need to combine agriculture with manufacturing industries. This concept assumes centralized production and large scale distribution. Food will be grown locally where ever possible, mostly hydroponically in robust vertical farm buildings, so as to save land for free range livestock farming. Distribution is also local to the region, but does account for overlap as a measure for statistical tolerance limits.
9) Free education for all children in public schools. Abolition of children’s factory labor in its present form. Combination of education with industrial production.
Education will not be in the same form as it is today. There will be no public school. Education will be more robust and interactive throughout regions and not restricted to the Bismarkian system that is greatly utilized today. It is dynamic, mobile, and blends new learning information into the system so that it doesn’t remain static and unchanging. Desk learning, book learning, internet learning, interactive learning, experiential learning and more will be used in combination in a holistic approach.
Since there is no fixed notion for education, combining education with industrial production or any other production is irrelevant. However, emphasis will be given on research work and the general sciences to solidify the generalist approach to problem solving that will be central to an RBE education.
10) Abolition of property in land and application of all rents of land to public purposes.
Although abolition of property is okay and in line with the RBE, because abundance renders property ownership pointless, the application of renting land is again irrelevant in an RBE system that functions without a medium of exchange.
Communism focuses more on class struggle, class conflict, and the overthrow of one power to establish another, no matter how much ruthlessness is involved. Contrary to that, the RBE takes a more evolutionary approach rather than revolution, starting with educating the public (since without education we can never have a desirable society). A true democracy can only thrive well with an educated and informed public.
The RBE believes in a reverse hierarchical approach rather than the traditional hierarchical approach, which only brings about the tyranny of ONE or GROUP. Communism believes in greater good for a greater number of people, BUT the RBE believes in greater good for ALL PEOPLE (not just a greater number of people). There is no basis for minority or majority in the RBE system.
Part 2 (sorry, not sure why this became out of order)
ReplyDelete6) Extension of factories and instruments of production owned by the State; the bringing into cultivation of waste-lands, and the improvement of the soil generally in accordance with a common plan.
There is no State in the RBE system. The instruments of production are not owned by anyone, not even the Cybernated System used for efficiency. Ownership has no functional purpose. It’s static. The instruments of production will be managed by the Cybernated System and the people using it, such that all inputs are considered and that the best possible solution sets are arrived at by proper analysis and not political opinion.
There will be no COMMON plan. There can never be any common plan when we speak about resource optimization. Plans will be developed according to the environmental conditions prevailing in that particular condition, and will be based on the carrying capacity of that place. Therefore, every plan might be different, best suited to the time, place and resource availability of that given region (this includes import capabilities). And plans will evolve and grow as knowledge and new capabilities arise.
7) Equal liability of all to labor. Establishment of industrial armies, especially for agriculture.
Again, labor is irrelevant when the point of the RBE is to automate and reduce human labor as much as possible. And talking about any kind of armies is a serious NO NO.
8) Combination of agriculture with manufacturing industries.
There is no need to combine agriculture with manufacturing industries. This concept assumes centralized production and large scale distribution. Food will be grown locally where ever possible, mostly hydroponically in robust vertical farm buildings, so as to save land for free range livestock farming. Distribution is also local to the region, but does account for overlap as a measure for statistical tolerance limits.
9) Free education for all children in public schools. Abolition of children’s factory labor in its present form. Combination of education with industrial production.
Education will not be in the same form as it is today. There will be no public school. Education will be more robust and interactive throughout regions and not restricted to the Bismarkian system that is greatly utilized today. It is dynamic, mobile, and blends new learning information into the system so that it doesn’t remain static and unchanging. Desk learning, book learning, internet learning, interactive learning, experiential learning and more will be used in combination in a holistic approach.
Since there is no fixed notion for education, combining education with industrial production or any other production is irrelevant. However, emphasis will be given on research work and the general sciences to solidify the generalist approach to problem solving that will be central to an RBE education.
10) Abolition of property in land and application of all rents of land to public purposes.
Although abolition of property is okay and in line with the RBE, because abundance renders property ownership pointless, the application of renting land is again irrelevant in an RBE system that functions without a medium of exchange.
Communism focuses more on class struggle, class conflict, and the overthrow of one power to establish another, no matter how much ruthlessness is involved. Contrary to that, the RBE takes a more evolutionary approach rather than revolution, starting with educating the public (since without education we can never have a desirable society). A true democracy can only thrive well with an educated and informed public.
The RBE believes in a reverse hierarchical approach rather than the traditional hierarchical approach, which only brings about the tyranny of ONE or GROUP. Communism believes in greater good for a greater number of people, BUT the RBE believes in greater good for ALL PEOPLE (not just a greater number of people). There is no basis for minority or majority in the RBE system.